Christ Never Claimed To Be God; Who Made Him God? Nice Joke! by C. Pio

By c.pio on The Catholic Point

Answer to Iglesia Ni Cristo-1914 Video: Who Made Christ God? Part I

To begin with, have you read what Christ said in Matt.13:10-11?

His disciples came and asked him, "Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?" He replied, "You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. [Matthew 13:10-11]

Now let us check those who have been given the knowledge to understand the mystery of the Kingdom of Heaven to those who are not.

I. That Christ Never Claimed to Be God.

This statement is totally wrong, That is to say Christ claimed he was.

(a) He claimed that he is the Lord of the Sabbath.

[Deuteronomy 5:12] - "Observe the Sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you."

[Leviticus 26:2] - "You shall keep My Sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary; I am the Lord."

Christ said he is the Lord of the Sabbath, an undoubted proof that he claimed to be divine:

          

[Matthew 12:8] – “For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

He even testified that the Sabbath was established by God only for man [Mark 2:27] 

[John 5:18] For this cause therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

(b) He claimed that he and God the Father are ONE

[John 10:29-30] My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

Christ claimed: “I and the Father are one.” If I said: “I, c.pio, and the Father are one” you would surely be scandalized. Once again we have Christ claiming his deity by making a statement that a mere rational mortal could never utter.

(c) He claimed the name of God “I AM”

                                                                                       

In Exodus 3:13-14, Moses was at the burning bush and he asked God what His name was.  God replied, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you."

But Christ said:

                                               

[John 8:58] “before Abraham was born, I AM”

The Jewish leaders gathered around listening to Jesus knew exactly what He meant; they picked up stones to kill Him. He was claiming to be the great I AM and they understood that.

Seven times in the Gospel of John Jesus claims to be the great “I am” [John 4:26; 6:20; 8:24, 28, 58; 13:19; 18:5]. He is stating His claim to be God.

                                                                                                       

(d) He claimed that Prophets were persecuted because of him.

[Matthew 5:11-12] “Blessed are you when men shall revile you and say all manner of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Here we have a clear claim of his divinity. It attests that the prophets and the disciples were/will be persecuted for the same one reason: for the his sake. No human being could claim that the prophets of hundreds of years earlier had been persecuted for his sake. Only a pre-existing entity could make such a claim—only God could make the claim.

(e) He clearly places his pronouncements on the same level as Holy Scripture.            

[Matthew 5:21-22] You have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shall not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment. But I say, if you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell.

          

[Matthew 5:27-28] "You have heard the commandment that says, 'You must not commit adultery.' But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

[Matthew 5:43-44] "You have heard the law that says, 'Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!

Christ’s comments on the Law attest to his divinity. ‘Thou shall not kill,’ but I say…” or “Thou shall not.. but I say…” Thou shall not.. but I say…

We need to consider the magnitude of these statements. Jesus is speaking to an audience that considered the Old Testament as the inspired word of God. Christ, calmly recites the Old Testament passages, and then proceeds to make statements that supersede them. He clearly places his pronouncements on the same level as Holy Scripture. Only God can do this. For even the apostle Paul never stated that “scripture says this, but what I say…”

(f) He claimed that he is the source of Morality

[John 15:5] I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

Jesus tells us that He is the vine, we, his disciples are the branches, and the fruit we bear are the good works (moral conduct). Here Christ is teaching something significant: while the branch bears fruit, the ultimate source is the vine. Which he clearly illustrates in Matthew 5:16

[Matthew 5:16] In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

(g) He bracket himself to God the Father and to the Holy Spirit

[Matthew 28:19] Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

We know from his earlier teaching that he meant himself when he refers to “the Son”, and here he brackets himself between the Father and the Holy Spirit. If He were not God, then He just spoke blasphemy.

Why didn’t Jesus make a simple declarative statement I am God? It is because for the same reason He spoke in parables [Matt. 13:10].

II. That Who Made Him God.

According to them, Christ was not worshipped by Early Christian Communities as divine person prior to the Council of Nicea. I repeat, prior to the Nicene Council Christ is not God! thus during this council, through the influence of Emperor Constantine, they made him God.

The lack on historical facts to substantiate this conclusion makes this more sounds funny. To answer the allegation, We must then go back and investigate prior to Council of Nicea (or prior to 4^th Century A.D.).

On this section, I would rather opt not to post here the accounts of some Early Church Fathers (which is obviously all were Catholics) who lived prior to the council. So what will I cite here is an external evidence.

(a) The Megiddo Church

The ancient Megiddo church near Tel Megiddo, Israel is an archeological site which preserves the foundations of one of the oldest church buildings ever discovered by archaeologists dating to the 3rd century A.D.

Among the finds is an approx. 54-square-metre (580 sq ft) large mosaic with a Greek inscription stating that:

"The God-loving Akeptous has offered the table to God Jesus Christ as a memorial."

                                

(b) The account of Pliny the Younger

Pliny the Younger was governor of Pontus/Bithynia from 111-113 A.D. He wrote to Emperor Trajan regarding the early Christian church, their worship of Christ, and how he persecuted, tortured, and murdered them:

Pliny the Younger

"They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so."

This example shows clearly that even the Romans knew that Jesus was being worshipped and wanted to "check and cure" "the contagion of this superstition" that had "spread not only to the cities but also to the villages and farms."

(b) The Alexamenos graffito

The Alexamenos graffito is an inscription carved in plaster on a wall near the Palatine Hill in Rome [dated early 3^rd Century] The image depicts a human-like figure attached to a cross and possessing the head of a donkey. Beneath the cross there is a caption written in crude Greek:

Αλεξαμενος ϲεβετε θεον. [Alexamenos, worship God!]

During the time of Christians’ persecution, Romans accused Christian for worshipping a donkey because they believed Christ was donkey  (see my article on Sign of the cross)

SOLEMNITY OF THE MOST HOLY BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST ( CORPUS CHRISTI SUNDAY)

Corpus Christi (Body and Blood of Christ) is a Eucharistic solemnity, or better, the solemn commemoration of the institution of that sacrament. It is, moreover, the Church's official act of homage and gratitude to Christ, who by instituting the Holy Eucharist gave to the Church her greatest treasure. Holy Thursday, assuredly, marks the anniversary of the institution, but the commemoration of the Lord's passion that very night suppresses the rejoicing proper to the occasion. Today's observance, therefore, accents the joyous aspect of Holy Thursday.

The Mass and the Office for the feast was edited or composed by St. Thomas Aquinas upon the request of Pope Urban IV in the year 1264. It is unquestionably a classic piece of liturgical work, wholly in accord with the best liturgical traditions. . . It is a perfect work of art.

— Excerpted from The Church's Year of Grace, Pius Parsch.

In the words of St. Thomas:

"How inestimable a dignity, beloved brethren, divine bounty has bestowed upon us Christians from the treasury of its infinite goodness! For there neither is nor ever has been a people to whom the gods were so nigh as our Lord and God is nigh unto us.

"Desirous that we be made partakers of His divinity, the only-begotten Son of God has taken to Himself our nature so that having become man, He would be enabled to make men gods. Whatever He assumed of our nature He wrought unto our salvation. For on the altar of the Cross He immolated to the Father His own Body as victim for our reconciliation and shed His blood both for our ransom and for our regeneration. Moreover, in order that a remembrance of so great benefits may always be with us, He has left us His Body as food and His Blood as drink under appearances of bread and wine.

"O banquet most precious! O banquet most admirable! O banquet overflowing with every spiritual delicacy! Can anything be more excellent than this repast, in which not the flesh of goats and heifers, as of old, but Christ the true God is given us for nourishment? What more wondrous than this holy sacrament! In it bread and wine are changed substantially, and under the appearance of a little bread and wine is had Christ Jesus, God and perfect Man. In this sacrament sins are purged away, virtues are increased, the soul is satiated with an abundance of every spiritual gift. No other sacrament is so beneficial. Since it was instituted unto the salvation of all, it is offered by Holy Church for the living and for the dead, that all may share in its treasures.

"My dearly beloved, is it not beyond human power to express the ineffable delicacy of this sacrament in which spiritual sweetness is tasted in its very source, in which is brought to mind the remembrance of that all-excelling charity which Christ showed in His sacred passion? Surely it was to impress more profoundly upon the hearts of the faithful the immensity of this charity that our loving Savior instituted this sacrament at the last supper when, having celebrated the Pasch with His disciples. He was about to leave the world and return to the Father. It was to serve as an unending remembrance of His passion, as the fulfillment of ancient types — this the greatest of His miracles. To those who sorrow over His departure He has given a unique solace."

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Symbols: The usual symbol for the Holy Eucharist is a chalice, with a host rising out of it.

The chalice is shown with a hexagonal base, as a rule, symbolizing the Six Attributes of the Deity (power, wisdom, majesty, mercy, justice and love), and with a richly wrought stem of gold, studded with precious stones. The host is shown as the typical circular wafer, upon which may be imprinted the letters I. N. R. I., from which proceed rays of light, symbolical of the Real Presence, the substantial presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine.

An altar, upon which is set a cross, two or more candles in their tall candlesticks, a chalice and a ciborium, is another symbol often seen.

MASS READINGS:

Reading 1 

Ex 24:3-8

When Moses came to the people
and related all the words and ordinances of the LORD,
they all answered with one voice,
"We will do everything that the LORD has told us."
Moses then wrote down all the words of the LORD and,
rising early the next day,
he erected at the foot of the mountain an altar
and twelve pillars for the twelve tribes of Israel.
Then, having sent certain young men of the Israelites
to offer holocausts and sacrifice young bulls
as peace offerings to the LORD,
Moses took half of the blood and put it in large bowls;
the other half he splashed on the altar.
Taking the book of the covenant, he read it aloud to the people,
who answered, "All that the LORD has said, we will heed and do."
Then he took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, saying,
"This is the blood of the covenant
that the LORD has made with you
in accordance with all these words of his."

Responsorial Psalm  

Ps 116:12-13, 15-16, 17-18

R. (13) I will take the cup of salvation, and call on the name of the Lord.
or:
R. Alleluia.
How shall I make a return to the LORD
for all the good he has done for me?
The cup of salvation I will take up,
and I will call upon the name of the LORD.
R. I will take the cup of salvation, and call on the name of the Lord.
or:
R. Alleluia.
Precious in the eyes of the LORD
is the death of his faithful ones.
I am your servant, the son of your handmaid;
you have loosed my bonds.
R. I will take the cup of salvation, and call on the name of the Lord.
or:
R. Alleluia.
To you will I offer sacrifice of thanksgiving,
and I will call upon the name of the LORD.
My vows to the LORD I will pay
in the presence of all his people.
R. I will take the cup of salvation, and call on the name of the Lord.
or:
R. Alleluia.

Reading 2 

Heb 9:11-15

Brothers and sisters:
When Christ came as high priest
of the good things that have come to be,
passing through the greater and more perfect tabernacle
not made by hands, that is, not belonging to this creation,
he entered once for all into the sanctuary,
not with the blood of goats and calves
but with his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
For if the blood of goats and bulls
and the sprinkling of a heifer's ashes
can sanctify those who are defiled
so that their flesh is cleansed,
how much more will the blood of Christ,
who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God,
cleanse our consciences from dead works
to worship the living God.

For this reason he is mediator of a new covenant:
since a death has taken place for deliverance
from transgressions under the first covenant,
those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance.

Gospel  

Mk 14:12-16, 22-26

On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread,
when they sacrificed the Passover lamb,
Jesus' disciples said to him,
"Where do you want us to go
and prepare for you to eat the Passover?"
He sent two of his disciples and said to them,
"Go into the city and a man will meet you,
carrying a jar of water.
Follow him.
Wherever he enters, say to the master of the house,
'The Teacher says, "Where is my guest room
where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?"'
Then he will show you a large upper room furnished and ready.
Make the preparations for us there."
The disciples then went off, entered the city,
and found it just as he had told them;
and they prepared the Passover.

While they were eating,
he took bread, said the blessing,
broke it, gave it to them, and said,
"Take it; this is my body."
Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them,
and they all drank from it.
He said to them,
"This is my blood of the covenant,
which will be shed for many.
Amen, I say to you,
I shall not drink again the fruit of the vine
until the day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God."
Then, after singing a hymn,
they went out to the Mount of Olives.

 

SAGOT KAY BRIGETTE MUGOT TUNGKOL SA KATOLISISMO

Brigette Mugot FROM FACEBOOK:

hi ryan torotoro, sabi mo nag exist ang catholicism nung dumating ang sinasabi mong kristo kelan yon? granted na yon ding panahong yon itinatag ng kristo mo ang catholicism, eh pa'no naman ang panahong di pa dumating yong kristo, eh wala pa ang katoliko? just wanna ask, ano naman ang religion ng mga tao noon before dumating ang sinasabi mong kristo? kung kayo ang true bakit di kayo nag exist nong kaunaunahang panahon nila abraham?

  
SAGOT:

[hi ryan torotoro,]

HELLO BRIGETTE MUGOT

[ sabi mo nag exist ang catholicism nung dumating ang sinasabi mong kristo kelan yon?]

DUMATING SI CRISTO NANG SIYA AY IPINANGANAK:

MATTHEW 2:18-25

"18Ang pagkapanganak nga kay Jesucristo ay ganito: Nang si Maria na kaniyang ina ay magaasawa kay Jose, bago sila magsama ay nasumpungang siya'y nagdadalang-tao sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo. 19At si Jose na kaniyang asawa, palibhasa'y lalaking matuwid, at ayaw na ihayag sa madla ang kaniyang kapurihan, ay nagpasiyang hiwalayan siya ng lihim. 20Datapuwa't samantalang pinagiisip niya ito, narito, ang isang anghel ng Panginoon ay napakita sa kaniya sa panaginip, na nagsasabi: Jose, anak ni David, huwag kang mangamba sa pagtanggap kay Maria na iyong asawa: sapagka't ang kaniyang dinadalang-tao ay sa Espiritu Santo. 21At siya'y manganganak ng isang lalake; at ang pangalang itatawag mo sa kaniya'y JESUS; sapagka't ililigtas niya ang kaniyang bayan sa kanilang mga kasalanan. 22At nangyari nga ang lahat ng ito, upang maganap ang sinalita ng Panginoon sa pamamagitan ng propeta, na nagsasabi, 23Narito, ang dalaga'y magdadalang-tao at manganganak ng isang lalake, At ang pangalang itatawag nila sa kaniya ay Emmanuel; na kung liliwanagin, ay sumasa atin ang Dios. 24At nagbangon si Jose sa kaniyang pagkakatulog, at ginawa niya ang ayon sa ipinagutos sa kaniya ng anghel ng Panginoon, at tinanggap ang kaniyang asawa; 25At hindi nakilala siya hanggang sa maipanganak ang isang lalake: at tinawag niya ang kaniyang pangalang JESUS."

NAITATAG NAMAN ANG KATOLISISMO NG  ITATAG IYON NI CRISTO KAY PEDRO:

MATTHEW 16:18-19


" 18At sinasabi ko naman sa iyo, na ikaw ay Pedro, at sa ibabaw ng batong ito ay itatayo ko ang aking iglesia; at ang mga pintuan ng Hades ay hindi magsisipanaig laban sa kaniya. 19Ibibigay ko sa iyo ang mga susi ng kaharian ng langit: at anomang iyong talian sa lupa ay tatalian sa langit; at anomang iyong kalagan sa lupa ay kakalagan sa langit."

 [eh pa'no naman ang panahong di pa dumating yong kristo, eh wala pa ang katoliko?]


MALAMANG. KASI HINDI PA NAITATAG NI CRISTO NOON. PERO NASA HULA NA NI PROPETA ISAIAH:


ISAIAS 22:21-22


" 21At aking susuutan siya ng iyong balabal, at patitibayin siya ng iyong pamigkis, at aking ipagkakatiwala ang iyong pamamahala sa kaniyang kamay: at siya'y magiging ama sa mga nananahan sa Jerusalem, at sa sangbahayan ni Juda.
22At ang katungkulan sa sangbahayan ni David ay iaatang ko sa kaniyang balikat; at siya'y magbubukas, at walang magsasara; at siya'y magsasara, at walang magbubukas."

 [just wanna ask, ano naman ang religion ng mga tao noon before dumating ang sinasabi mong kristo?]

JUDAISM

 [kung kayo ang true bakit di kayo nag exist nong kaunaunahang panahon nila abraham?]

KASI NGA HINDI PA NAITATATAG NI CRISTO NA ANAK NG DIYOS AT TAGAPAGLIGTAS IYONG IGLESIA NIYA. PERO IYON AY NASA HULA NA. MASAYA KA NA?

INC NA HINDI ALAM ANG KAPANANGAKAN NI HESUS, MANGMANG SA "CHRISTIANITY"

 Alvin Cortez FROM FACEBOOK:

 Kapanganakan ni CRISTO nasa bible ba? Hindi nyo alam kung ano talaga ang tinatawag na CHRISTIAN. Hindi kayo yan. Sinasabi nyo lang christian kayo, pero sa pananalita, kilos at gawa, never kayong naging CHRISTIAN!

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SAGOT:

 

 [Kapanganakan ni CRISTO nasa bible ba?]

 OO NASA BIBLIYA. SHUNGA KA? SA  EBANGHELYO BINABANGGIT YAN:

Mateo 1:18-25
"Ang pagkapanganak nga kay Jesucristo ay ganito: Nang si Maria na kaniyang ina ay magaasawa kay Jose, bago sila magsama ay nasumpungang siya'y nagdadalang-tao sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo. At si Jose na kaniyang asawa, palibhasa'y lalaking matuwid, at ayaw na ihayag sa madla ang kaniyang kapurihan, ay nagpasiyang hiwalayan siya ng lihim. Datapuwa't samantalang pinagiisip niya ito, narito, ang isang anghel ng Panginoon ay napakita sa kaniya sa panaginip, na nagsasabi: Jose, anak ni David, huwag kang mangamba sa pagtanggap kay Maria na iyong asawa: sapagka't ang kaniyang dinadalang-tao ay sa Espiritu Santo. At siya'y manganganak ng isang lalake; at ang pangalang itatawag mo sa kaniya'y JESUS; sapagka't ililigtas niya ang kaniyang bayan sa kanilang mga kasalanan. At nangyari nga ang lahat ng ito, upang maganap ang sinalita ng Panginoon sa pamamagitan ng propeta, na nagsasabi, Narito, ang dalaga'y magdadalang-tao at manganganak ng isang lalake, At ang pangalang itatawag nila sa kaniya ay Emmanuel; na kung liliwanagin, ay sumasa atin ang Dios. At nagbangon si Jose sa kaniyang pagkakatulog, at ginawa niya ang ayon sa ipinagutos sa kaniya ng anghel ng Panginoon, at tinanggap ang kaniyang asawa; At hindi nakilala siya hanggang sa maipanganak ang isang lalake: at tinawag niya ang kaniyang pangalang JESUS" 

Mateo 2:1

"Nang ipanganak nga si Jesus sa Bet-lehem ng Judea sa mga kaarawan ng haring si Herodes, narito, ang mga Pantas na lalake ay nagsidating sa Jerusalem mula sa silanganan, na nagsisipagsabi..."

 DI MO ALAM YAN? HAHAHA. NAKAKATAWA KA NAMAN, PARA KANG WALANG ALAM. OR IN SHORT WALA KA TALAGANG ALAM. HAHAHA. PALIBHASA KASI KAPANANGAKAN NG PEKENG SUGO NIYO ANG IPINAGDIDIWANG NIYO.


[Hindi nyo alam kung ano talaga ang tinatawag na CHRISTIAN.]

SIGE NGA. DEFINE "CHRISTIAN". HAHAHAHAHA.


A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as recorded in the Canonical gospels and the letters of the New Testament. "Christian" derives from the Koine Greek word Christ, a translation of the Biblical Hebrew term Messiah. Most Christians believe in the doctrine of the Trinity ("tri-unity"), a description of God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

ANO NAMAN ANG CHRISTIANITY?

Christianity (from the Ancient Greek: Χριστιανός Christianos) is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings Adherents of the Christian faith are known as Christians.

 [Hindi kayo yan.]

OH TALAGA? ANG KAPAL NAMAN NG MUKHA MO. ANO BA ANG PINANINIWALAAN NG ISANG KRISTIYANO?:

  Christians generally believe Jesus is the Son of God, God having become human and the saviour of humanity.

GOD HAVING BECOME HUMAN. IBIG SABIHIN, NAGKATAWANG-TAO. DOKTRINA NIYO BA 'YAN? HINDI DIBA? KAMI DOKTRINA YAN. PINANINIWALAAN YAN. KAYO HINDI. KAYA KAMI ANG KRISTIYANO AT KAYO ANG HINDI AT PEKE.
  
 [Sinasabi nyo lang christian kayo, pero sa pananalita, kilos at gawa, never kayong naging CHRISTIAN!]

SA INYO DAPAT SABIHIN YAN DAHIL IMBES NA SABIHIN NIYONG "AKO'Y ISANG KRISTIYANO", SINASABI NIYONG "AKO'Y IGLESIA NI CRISTO".

AT PROUD NA PROUD PA KAYO SA PAGSABI NUN SA INONG KORPORASYON NA MAY KORUPSYON. AT HINDI KAYO KRISTIYANO DAHIL BULAANG RELIHIYON KAYO. PEKE. AT NAKAREHISTRO PA SA PATENT OFFICE NG AMERICA NA CORPORATION AT NAKAPANGALAN KAY FELIX MANALO. AT HINDI KAY JESUCRISTO. KAYA HINDI SI CRISTO NAGTATAG NG IGLESIA NIYO. HAHAHA.